The greater difference, however, is that a .416 (or similar) is much more effective on the upper end. Google Analytics sets this cookie to store the traffic source or campaign by which the visitor reached the site. All Deals; Today; Categories . Capacity: Floor Plate. The .416s (and similar) are not only perfectly adequate for the very largest gamebut just might be better than a true big-bore of .450-plus. OR IS MORE ACCURATE.. Reactions: SOGASOGA and hump0311. This cookie is set by Google Analytics and is used to distinguish users and sessions. T This picture is a representation of this item or a of group of items. Woe is me!! Most rugers have a 23" bl, while 460 weatherbys have a 26" bl. It may be like the tootsie pop. My Model 70`s and CZ`s controlled feed and my "other" bolt actions have NEVER failed to feed the next round ( including WSM caliber)! Around the early 1960s, Roy began tinkering with a 6.5mm bullet. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. Yes on all of your pressure conclusions. This is huge power. I can send 350 grainers at 3050 to 3100 fps. I do know that the .416 Rigby case is only designed for around 52000 CUP and the 378 around 56000 - even though I've heard of people pushing the 378 to 65000 CUP. WEATHERBY - LEFT HANDED MARK V .378 WEATHERBY MAG. The only issue would be ammo availability in a pinch which is why, on many blogs, you will hear the praise for the .375 Weatherby because it outperforms the .375 H&H and, if you run out of ammo it can shoot the .375 H&H. The .416 Rigby is almost exclusively loaded with 400-grain bullets. Mar 21, 2007. Must be 18 or older to purchase a firearm. Type: All Firearms. Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" and 28" barrels. I still trust the .375. The .340 Weatherby has a lot more reach than the .375 H&H, but both are wonderful cartridges. 470 N.E. Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. Griptonite stock with tungsten Cerakote barrel and action. I have admittedly shown off with mine a bit, by punching holes through a 30-inch standing maple tree, etc. Recoil is pretty rough. It is used to enable interoperability with urchin.js, which is an older version of Google Analytics and is used in conjunction with the __utmb cookie to determine new sessions/visits. I replaced them with another crf .30-06 (shoots all ammo better), a 7mm rem mag (now have two rifles in that caliber -- something I wanted), which also shoots ammo well. I can't think of a better reason to explain to the wife why I need another safe. In the .378 Weatherby, high muzzle velocities of 3200 to 3300fps help a great deal to generate hydraulic wounding on game weighing up to 600kg (1300lb). The cookie is set by Google Analytics and is deleted when the user closes the browser. It works only in coordination with the primary cookie. The .375, on the other hand, can be commonly found with 250- and 300-grain bullets, and some manufacturers also produce 260- and 270-grain loads. I'm not going to mess with that load. HubSpot sets this cookie to keep track of the visitors to the website. Please leave your valid email address below. High gloss Turkish walnut stock. I shot my buffalo at about 80 yards and two of the three bullets went lean trhough leaving huge (at least 60 cal) holes. Shorter 12-1/2 stock and 24 barrel. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. It does not store any personal data. It has considerably more punch than the Rigby. Total:7,403 (members:1,016, guests:6,387). I've been thinking about a .416 RUM with the Cutting Edge 370's. At the same time Federal brought out a modern load for the .470 Nitro Express, so it wasnt just the .416 that was being revived in that crazy year of 1988-1989! Depending on which diameter, theres a maximum spread of only .007-inch between .416 and .423 This is the same difference between the .270 (.277-inch) and the 7mm (.284-inch) and with the much larger bullet diameter makes even less difference. furnishes. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Farmer 1 wrote on Mark Biggerstaff's profile. Too bad. It contains the domain, initial timestamp (first visit), last timestamp (last visit), current timestamp (this visit), and session number (increments for each subsequent session). Their .378/.460 case is dimensionally the same as the .416 Rigby case, except the Weatherby version wears a belt. Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" or 28" barrels. I am not knocking the ideal of a .375 Ruger based .416. I've never had the slightest trouble with the 416 Rem. Email inquiries only for accessories and non-firearm related items. Velocity overcomes resistance, and frontal area creates more resistance. WESTERN MULE DEER HUNTER August 3, 2018. WEATHERBY - LEFT HANDED MKV 300 WEATHERBY MAGNUM. If you run toward tradition and nostalgia, then either the .416 Rigby or .404 Jeffery will have the most appeal. It quickly achieved a fantastic reputation. The 416 has quickly become one of the best all-around cartridges for Africa. Total Rigby production of .416s ran into the few hundreds. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. The one bullet I recovered went through the upper leg, the top of the heart and lodged on the other side. Any Rifle Chambered in .375, .378, .416 or .460 Weatherby Magnum Founded by legendary hunter Roy Weatherby, Weatherby Firearms produces some particularly high-quality rifles like the Mark V and the Vanguard models. All current rifles are so bored, but there are also .411-inch bullets available (which is the correct diameter for the old .405 Winchester. All of these SDs exceed that of the 300-grain .375, SD .305, a bullet well-known for great penetration. These days there is so little dangerous game that is being hunted, what what there is of it, a 375 H+H handles it well enough. The .378 Weatherby Magnum - Shooting Times The .378 Weatherby Magnum Created in 1953, this big, powerful rifle cartridge had 43 percent more case capacity than the .375 H&H. The .378 Weatherby Magnum (center) greatly exceeds .375 H&H (left) power. The extra 340 was taken in trade, is like new and for sale. 2750-2800fps with a .825 BC is like a .338 Edge/RUM/Lapua with more energy and a larger frontal area. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. The .460 shoots everything well, and most loads extraordinarily. Doesn't some of the African countries still require a 40 caliber weapon or larger on the "big five" ? The 375 Weatherby Magnum could be considered a version of the "375 H&H Magnum Improved" family. I would go with the .416 also. I have at least one Mk V in all of the calibers mentioned except for .460 and .30-30. Theyre all good, and on game much the same. This cookie is set by the Google recaptcha service to identify bots to protect the website against malicious spam attacks. I have heard/read so many people praise the .416 Rigby -- which in this range of cartridges means they are happy to trust their lives to it, when there are many other details they will complain bitterly about such as PushFeed vs. CRF -- that I have no doubt it is more than enough in its traditional loads. The block also does not include the 375 Weatherby Magnum or the 220 Weatherby Rocket. Available in 12 and 20ga., 26 and 28" barrels. Because of its great power and flat trajectory, suitable for hunting just about any big game anywhere, it has been referred to as "The Ultimate Rifle." Long, long ago (1944), in a land that no longer exists called the United States of America, Roy Weatherby designed a new .375 cartridge to which he gave his name. In 1956, he contracted with both Sako and Schultz & Larsen to manufacture complete rifles, while he continued to make custom guns in California. GOING TO AFRICA TAKE ENOUGH GUN. John Rigby was an astute ballistician and brilliant engineer, but exactly why or how he settled on the .416-inch bullet diameter seems to have been lost. But I am not sure why you really need another 2100 ft.lbs over a 458 lott. CALL 662-494-0779 or email [email protected] for firearm inquiries. Hit hard, the bull vanished into thick growth near the bank. Just be certain that you send your ammo to your PH with enough time to confirm that it was received in good condition. Regards Mike. The .450/.400, with a 400-grain bullet at about 2,100 fps, is much slower and produces less energy, about 4,000 ft-lbs. I keep hearing these stories of the dreaded recoil of the .460 Weatherby - retinas detaching, shoulders dislocating, etc. This cookie is set by the Google recaptcha service to identify bots to protect the website against malicious spam attacks. In the early 2000s, when it was really no longer necessary, I had a .416 Taylor, but it was George Hoffmans cartridge that introduced me to the .416 in the mid-Eighties. Thus, in a sense, with the .416 Weatherby we have come full circle. 340 Wby 200 Sp Is 9.9 in low at 400 yds with a 300 yd 0. My CZ is just now starting to show the reliability of my 700. In times past there were many bullets that wouldn't. Even the Weatherby bashers, who hate them because they can't afford the one they want, secretly lust for a 378. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Does Weatherby recommend specific ammunition for each caliber to get the best accuracy? I have used and loaded for two 378's over the yearsnever shot that well with either. Older .450/.400 Nitro Express rifles, in both three-inch and 3.25-inch versions, can vary in bullet diameter, some as tight as .409-inch and others as loose as .412-inch. This then leads to the point that the Kirby Allen 7mm exists and the design is known to work. $0.00 sold out. Today, those same performance qualities are every bit a part of Weatherby cartridges. The 460 has a trajectory of a mortar round (exaggeration here). The 378 Weatherby Magnum was created as a new cartridge, with a larger case capacity and bolt face diameter. This cookie, set by YouTube, registers a unique ID to store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. If you are thinking .416 you might give the Wby a look. They do produce more recoil, so its important to be honest when you look in the mirror: Can you shoot such a cartridge well? I"ve shot a few there with a pistol. TRACKING AND RUNNING INTO A PISSED OFF 650 LB LION AT 28 YARDS IN DENSE BRUSH-AFTER SEEING HOW TOUGH THEY ARE- 400 GRAIN DID NOT PASS THRU THE LION. I have a .416 Rigby and .458 WM, so have no first-hand experience with either of the Weatherby cartridges. I'm hoping the PK brake will tame it down a bit. I've done several things to it to help control the recoil, and I've had no problems shooting smaller African antelope with it, shooting it from prone positions, and in making killing shots at ranges up to 350 yds. It is my belief that 416 Rigby velocities offer ample killing power, and that when you push the same bullets up toward 416 Weatherby velocities, for most riflemen recoil starts to get in the way of good shooting, negating the edge provided by the extra energy the 416 Wby. Having said that, the 416 Rem I had built on a 700 was exceedingly reliable in every category. All loads were tested at 100 yards. The 378 Weatherby Magnum is third from the right. ", I don`t put much faith in fake "reality" TV shows. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. It offers an effective low-recoil option in double rifles. If I had the use for one of these lasers, I would love to have one, but the woods I hunt in barely give me a shot over 100 yards. Due to California law AB 2571, we will no longer be shipping this item to California. It was still a bit of a novelty when I took it to Tanzania in 1988but not for long. Jack Atcheson Jr. and I started in Botswanas Okavango, then shifted to Matetsi in northwest Zimbabwe; it was my first elephant, another first with a .416. The cookie is updated every time data is sent to Google Analytics. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This is ironic because the very first .416 Taylor rifle built was buiilt by Winchester.Bill Ruger kept a 77 in .416 Taylor for his personal use. Elastomer stock. This is the main cookie set by Hubspot, for tracking visitors. Not only is the 378 Weatherby Magnum capable of taking a T-Rex, even from a safe distance, in the Mark V Deluxe it is a very pretty rifle. The wildcat .425 Express, developed by Cameron Hopkins and Whit Collins, uses a .423-inch bullet. All Firearms. The 416 is a necked-down 460 Weatherby, so recoil will be on par with the larger bore. Roy Weatherby developed the .30-.378 clear back in 1959 for a military contract, and it persisted in wildcat form until Weatherby released it as a factory cartridge in 1996. Your email address will not be published. ODT Junkie! $3,023.99. factory ammo WERE loaded too hot, however, and that's a fact. Sectional Density (SD) of the 400-grain .416 bullet is a very high .330; SD of the 400-grain .423-inch bullet is slightly lower at .319; and SDs of the 400-grain .410-inch bullet is slightly higher at .340. The .378 Weatherby is a monumental cartridge in its size, power, and capabilities. Any action that can handle a 375 H+H will handle the 416 Remington. NOTHING SHOOTS FLATTER. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. Chatfield Taylor, John Wooters and Maj John Kingsly-Heath all considered it to be the best combination of recoil, accuracy and economy in a DG rifle yet with all of their praise the cartridge still never became a reality. Unfortunately, 40-caliber rifles and larger are required for hunting some species of dangerous game in various countries in Africa. Now, suddenly, we had plenty of choices. Early batches of Remington 400 gr. The 378 Weatherby Magnum was intended to replace the 375 Weatherby Magnum, which did not yield enough additional power over the 375 H&H. Developed by Roy's son, Ed, the 416 is a necked up version of the 378 exceeding the power and energy of the 416 Rigby, the 416 Remington Magnum and the 458 Winchester Magnum. The.416 Weatherby is much faster, with 400-grain bullet at 2,600 to 2,700 fps, yielding more than 6,000 ft-lbs. Blaine - interested in your like for the Hogue with the block. while i am not man enough for the 460, i see a place for the 378 in our australian deserts. Google Analytics sets this cookie to store the traffic source or campaign by which the visitor reached the site. This cookie is set by Google Analytics and is used to distinguish users and sessions. It drives a 500-grain bullet to 2,600 fps, for over 7,500 ft.-lbs. The cartridge I was using was George Hoffmans wildcat .416 Hoffman, in a time when there were no factory loads for any .416 cartridgesand few bullets. Best, John. The ballistics are similar arent they? I tried to work the bolt fast, but I was already too late; the elephant was down and still before I could bring the rifle to bear, and it was all over. And, when .416 Rigby ammo was almost unavailable, .404 Jeffery (10.75x73mm) ammo was still loaded in Germany. The story behind Lott's desire to build a reliable .458 is pretty well known by now -- yet those real motives included having a case that would operate at lower pressures while giving just that little more than the .458 win promised but didn't then deliver. Randy Brooks of Barnes Bullets told me he likes the 350 grain X bullet from a 416 Rem (probably the TXS nowadays) for everything including elephant, and IIRC, his load was in the 2550-2600 fps range which again is not a hot load. And it delivers over three foot tons of ME for you to use. Hornady SP-RN 20-Pack But, that is not the case if the .460 was not a high speed magnum,. No buffalo or elephant will notice a difference of 50 feet per second one way or the other. As the Weatherby slogan states still today, "Nothing shoots flatter, hits harder or is more accurate than a Weatherby." [4] The 215 magnum rifle primer was developed by Federal specifically for this round. 378 Weatherby Mag 300 Grain Soft Point 20 Rounds Weatherby Ammunition 378 Weatherby Magnum. Over the years Ive hunted with most of the .416s and their brethren, and Ive had all of them on the range. That is hot, especially for a non-temp sensitive powder. Ed Weatherby, Roy's son, designed the heavy-game cartridge by necking up the .378 Weatherby Magnum to .416. I do practice a quick second shot at the shooting range. I have heard rumors that there may eventually be available, cup and core VLD bullets for 416, which makes this an altogether more versatile round, unless they start doing the same thing in.458. Picture is a necked-down 460 Weatherby, so recoil will be stored in your browser with! 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