because the latter rolls out those wide, .338-inch diameter 250-grain bullets. will kick with 29.3 ft-lb, and the 300 will slap you with 37 ft-lb. If youre shopping for the perfect elk caliber/rifle, determine how much recoil you can tolerate without flinching and how much rifle weight you might enjoy packing. Thirty-calibers have been sending elk to the table for more than 125 years. .284-inch bullet or a 180-gr. So many variables with scoring elk. It worked fine for long range deer hunting, but elk hunters wanted more bullet. Bull elk antlers are typically referenced by the number of tines, with each side referenced separately. The actual ear length itself (7.5). "Pure" lead cores need thick copper jackets to prevent disintegration on impact. Youll be much more satisfied with the outcome of most of your elk hunts. The question is, are detached retinas worth it? Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. LOL. Thats good and congrats to your girl You must log in or register to reply here. 3. It almost equals the .300 Ultra Mag, and does it with a whole lot less gunpowder. high B.C. Mag., .270 WSM, and 27 Nosler step it up a few notches, and the 6.8 Western with its fast twist barrels nudges bullet weights to the upper end of the 7mm line up. The smaller the bullet, the higher its quality and the more precise its deposit must be. 422 inch elk) he took this whitetail deer. Bulls scoring 350-380 . It might be impossible to find the rifle you want and darn tough to find factory loads to feed it. Mag. Add these to the base of 200 for your total of 344. On the other side of the caliber scale are the .35 Whelen (.30/06 necked up) and various .375s. Mag. Look to something that fires a 7mm or bigger heavy-for-caliber projectile at around 3,000 fps. worldwide popularity. In purely practical terms, no elk cartridge equals the beautifully balanced .300 Win. But, credit where credit is due, its a great elk cartridge. With the right bullet and .308 hunting rifle, the ubiquitous .308 Winchester is more than adequate out to 300 yards where a high B.C. Unless you work with a custom gun builder and handload, study factory options before choosing. 360-Plus Bull Elk with a Bow Editor's Note: Mark Hanson lives in Mesa, Arizona, and has been a Mossy Oak ProStaffer for 7 years. If the rack does not look heavy and has a thin appearance, I attribute 27 of mass per side or 54 total. When a big bull is bugling and rutting, elk fever always seems to add a few inches to an estimated score. Mag., look at a .338 Federal, .358 Win., or even 7mm-08 Win. Loved by eccentric handloaders, this sleek hotrod generates 7mm magnum-like velocities out of an improved cartridge case; compared to its .280 Remington parent case, sharper-angled shoulders and less taper provide more propellant capacity resulting in turbo performance. Dreamstime is the world`s largest stock photography community. Sales bloomed immediately when it released. Ill stick my neck out and say it: This is the best 6.5mm cartridge ever devised for hunting. For big game hunting precise shot placement is critical no matter the cartridge, and its damn hard to place a shot precisely when you know youre going to get smacked hard enough to loosen your teeth and knock out your boogers. If you anticipate hunting big, open country or canyonlands where shots could go long, the .300 and .338 magnums should be on your list. If thats the camp you hunt from, have at it, but understand that with the .338 Remington Ultra Magnum, every time you pull the trigger you will get smacked with about 45 foot-pounds of recoil. It is not a .35 Whelen. It wallops big bulls with authority, and wallops hunters hard, too. If the tip of the main beam comes to the top of the hump then the beam is probably around 50. While many times I score a bull in my head before asking the hunter what it actually scored, nothing beats getting out a tape and measuring lots of bone. 2012, 2013 & now join us on. Just about any 180-grainer will do, since the .30-06 doesnt produce bullet-destroying velocities. The 7mm family hatched around 1892 with the 7x57mm Mauser and has since grown to fifteen or more. First, I use anatomical references to estimate several of the point lengths. How do you do that? It would go about 305-310 with a whole tine. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Built into a titanium short action with a 20-inch Proof Research carbon fiber barrel and a McMillan Edge stock, it will weigh under six. Weatherbys .300 magnum had been dazzling magnum fans since the mid 1940s, but it was a full-length magnum caliber available only in expensive custom or Weatherby Rifles. The outcome is most times a disappointed hunter because the bull they take doesnt stretch the tape to some predetermined number. Thats 1,000 psi less than the little .22/250 Remington. JavaScript is disabled. Another bull, struck mid-rib by a 140-grain .280 bullet, simply crumpled. POLL: when was the last time you went to a drive-in movie? But dont try to punch a raking shot through a bulls hipit doesnt have the juice for that. } This unsung cartridge is awesome for a light, short-barreled, all-around elk rifle. Still, any .37-caliber pushing 250- to 300-grain bullets faster than about 2,500 fps is going to lead to copious amounts of skinning and packing. Its not my all-time favorite elk cartridge, but its a really, really close second. Your taste in rifle weight, mass, and recoil will color your choices. of .616 from a 24-inch barrel 3,000 fps and a 190-gr. But not so much that youre afraid to shoot it. However, it possesses authority in spades, and when paired with a fast-handling lever-action its a classic favorite of big-woods hunters. It has a near perfect balance of length, width, power, and recoil. Today most ammo makers also offer 225-grain bullets in a variety of controlled expansion configurations that retain mass well enough to penetrate better than the original 250-grain cup/core styles while delivering equal, sometimes more muzzle energy thanks to higher muzzle velocity. We offer cheap ammo and bulk ammo deals on the most popular ammo calibers. Most big mature bulls will have main beams close to 50 inches long. Many argue this about the .28-calibers, too, but the old 7mm Remington Magnum remains, since its inception in 1962, the most popular and effective 7mm elk caliber in the mountains. Might not make any record books but will be a good looking trophy to mount. After locating a big herd bull, Eastman comes up with a plan to take advantage of an unusually hot fall elk hunting season. Dean had an elk tag and I didn't, so I called for him. Anybody got pictures? Its extremely versatile with a broad selection of bullet weights, and with the right bullet is a great long-range performer. Looking for a Hunting or Fishing Partner. As we walked into the area where we were going to hunt, we spotted a couple of cow elk near a pond. Certainly the .270s and 6.5mms can and do take elk annually, but one would be hard pressed to recommend them as optimum. Here's a decent comparison. That topped the previous mark of 409 7/8 taken by Dana Foster of Ogallala in Garden County in 2008. 2023 Western Hunting Application Deadlines, New feature released on Insider Hunt Planner, Point Tracker: Your first step in researching hunts, How to import waypoints from other sources to GOHUNT Maps, Dialing in your fitness now to be ready for fall, Research your way to big bucks with a tool you're probably not using, The ABCs of finding a legit hunting partner. The ought six has probably killed more elk than all the other cartridges listed here combined. .tg .tg-sklq { My archery bull from last week goes right around 300, maybe an inch or two below. The kicker about this bull is he is 52" wide at the widest points. (The distance from the antler pedicle to the end of the nose on a mature bull is about 16 to 18 inches.) For those of you with coveted, limited entry tags the first advice I would give is to thoroughly enjoy your hunt and the overall experience. .tg { I am working up elk loads with both. Again, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether .280 Remington is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest elk - and to this question, the response again is yes, the .280 Remington is A GOOD CHOICE for elk hunting. Zero both three inches high at 100 yards and at 400 yards they both drop 11.3 inches and deflect about 8.5 inches in that 10 mph breeze. Some are longer and some a bit shorter, but 50 is a good estimate to start from. The bull elk-known to many as Kahuna, Bruno or 'Incredibull'-was a favourite among park visitors and known for his huge size. Skills loads. hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. Once I have classified and categorized the bull that determines if I need to dive in further and use one of the other scoring methods. Click to reveal This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. overflow: hidden; (Photo courtesy of James and Cody Vine) October 26, 2022 By Mark Demko. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. After accumulating 13 Colorado pref points, it will surely be a dream come true. Lighter recoil matched to .300 Win. When a big bull is bugling and rutting, "elk fever" always seems to add a few inches to an estimated score. As with any caliber, the lighter the bullet and lower the muzzle velocity, the easier the rifle is to handle and the closer you should get before taking your shot. This phenonemon is known as drag or air resistance. 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